Hi, just leave on work now. Sorry, it's a bit loud. Um, basically, so I was thinking we could get Macies tonight. Had a big Mac on my mind all day and delivery fee on the app is now from 99P. So you win? Of course you are. Love you. Bye.

Exclusively on the McDonald's app.

18 plus service fee and small order fee may apply. Participating restaurants. Serving times and teas and seas apply.

Support for KQED podcasts comes from Star One Credit Union.

Give your savings account the love it deserves.

When you keep your money with Star One, you keep more of your money.

Star One Credit Union in your best interest.

From KQED.

Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal. We start today's program talking about the demise of the 120-year-old California College of the Arts.

And I think it's okay to be sad about it and what it says about San Francisco. This is a town that's been rich in the arts for a hundred

years. Sure, there was wealth and industry, but there was always this electric current of arts

and culture pulsing through the place. And now, despite the efforts of many people, the institutions

that support a thriving art scene are in shambles. So before we get to the hopeful bits, before we consider what Vanderbilt might do,

let's just focus here on CCA.

Joining us is Sarah Hachke, Senior Editor with KQEDE Arts and Culture.

Welcome.

Well, thanks.

Good morning, Alexis.

Let's just talk about CCA.

What happened? Did we know the school was in trouble? We knew it was in trouble. We knew that they had a $20 million deficit in the fall of 2024. And then some really big fundraising amounts came in that kind of carried it through until now. But last week we got an email

that went out to staff, faculty, students, alumni, all at the same time saying the school is

going to close at the end of 2026, 27 school year. What are the contributing factors that we

...