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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

What the Ceasefire Is and Isn’t

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

After being “close to a deal” for so long, Israel and Gaza have officially reached a second ceasefire agreement. Is this the end of the war? And what does it say about Gaza’s future? Guest: Graeme Wood, staff writer at The Atlantic and lecturer in political science at Yale. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Graham, I'm sort of curious. There's been so much reporting about possible ceasefires in Gaza over the last year.

0:44.7

How did you know that the ceasefire that's just been announced might be real?

0:50.4

The best indication that it was real was that leaks were coming out from different sources.

0:59.0

You know, there were signs that it was the government of Israel trying to persuade people that this was going to be a good idea.

1:07.0

Graham Wood writes about foreign policy over at the Atlantic.

1:15.6

And that means he's been covering the war in Israel and Gaza since the beginning. There have been so many false dons.

1:18.6

There have been so many times when frustration has convulsed the country

1:23.6

about the fate of Israel's future and of the more imminent questions of when its

1:30.5

citizens are going to be able to come home, that what I've detected for a long time is

1:35.5

the same tone of weariness of cynicism and skepticism about anything that might happen.

1:42.9

But that will, I'm sure, subside and

1:47.1

give way to joy, as people should feel, if they start seeing citizens show up free,

1:55.7

you know, having not seen daylight probably for the better part of 15 months.

2:02.1

Yesterday, Israel and Hamas reached a ceasefire deal.

2:06.5

If and when it goes into effect, the first hostages in more than a year will be released.

2:12.7

Because at long last, I can announce a ceasefire and a hostage deal has been reached.

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