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Pints With Aquinas

What the 1960's Did to the Catholic Church & Why the Tide Is Finally Turning (Fr. Perricone) | Ep. 574

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.87K Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2026

⏱️ 122 minutes

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Summary

Fr. John A. Perricone entered seminary in 1968 and watched from the inside as the Catholic Church underwent its most catastrophic crisis in modern history: heresy taught openly in classrooms, thousands of priests abandoning the faith, and a generation of bishops who did nothing to stop it. Today, he sees the tide turning with many returning to these previously discarded traditions of the Catholic Church. Ep. 574 Theotokos Rosaries are available here: https://store.dailywire.com/collections/matt-fradd-pints-with-aquinas/products/rosary - - - 📚Resources Mentioned:  • https://www.fatherperricone.com • "Torches Against the Abyss" by Fr. John Perricone https://a.co/d/00rLiBrh • "Introduction to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales https://a.co/d/0eBMxtaq • "Self-Knowledge and Self-Discipline" by Fr. Basil Maturin https://a.co/d/07e3QrBw • "Spiritual Guidelines for Souls Seeking God" by Fr. Basil Maturin https://a.co/d/01qpmZnS • "Abandonment to Divine Providence" by Fr. Jean-Pierre de Caussade https://a.co/d/07tPvS5O • "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis https://a.co/d/04RDlk1q • "The Priesthood and Perfection" by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange https://a.co/d/05D2wl0Z • "The Priest in Union with Christ" by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange https://a.co/d/0cYBUa4Y • "Divine Intimacy" by Fr. Gabriel of St. Mary Magdalen https://a.co/d/0cpoRMSU • "Confessions" by St. Augustine https://a.co/d/06ec2Yu1 - - - Today’s Sponsors: Shopify: Sign up for your $1-per-month trial and start selling today at https://Shopify.com/pints PreBorn: Make a difference for generations to come. Donate securely online at https://preborn.com/PINTS or dial #250 keyword 'BABY' Charity Mobile: Visit https://charitymobile.com/MATTFRADD to get started. Free Phone offer with code MATTFRADD Good Ranchers: Get $25 off your first order and FREE meat for life when you use code PINTS at https://GoodRanchers.com Cluny - Visit https://clunypress.com today and save 15% with code PINTS15 - - - Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: ⁠⁠https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe⁠⁠ 📲 Download the free Daily Wire app today on iPhone, Android, Roku, Apple TV, Samsung, and more. - - - 📕 Get my newest book, Jesus Our Refuge, here: https://a.co/d/bDU0xLb 🍺 Want to Support Pints With Aquinas? 🍺 Get episodes a week early and join exclusive live streams with me! Become an annual supporter at 👉 ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mattfradd.locals.com/support⁠⁠⁠⁠ - - - 💻 Follow Me on Social Media: 📌 Facebook: https://facebook.com/mattfradd 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/mattfradd 𝕏 Twitter/X: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/Pints_W_Aquinas⁠⁠⁠ 🎵 TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠https://tiktok.com/@pintswithaquinas⁠⁠⁠ 📚 PWA Merch – ⁠⁠⁠https://dwplus.shop/MattFraddMerch⁠⁠ 👕 Grab your favorite PWA gear here: https://shop.pintswithaquinas.com - - - Privacy Policy: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.dailywire.com/privacy⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't mean to start off this interview on a Debbie Downer Note.

0:53.2

You're joining the seminary and becoming ordained while thousands of men are leaving the priesthood. What was it like? Oh, I could spend forever on that. Let's do it. It was an alarming period. Could you give me an example of a heresy taught in the classroom?, my God. Well, Jesus Christ is not God.

1:12.6

No.

1:13.6

The seminary faculty decided that they had to begin

1:16.6

weeding out any candidates who were showing any kind of partiality

1:20.6

to the Roman Catholic Church as it existed before 1970.

1:24.6

So they adopted the communist method in the Soviet Union. And two days before ordination,

1:31.0

I was called to the director's office and told I wasn't going to be ordained. Two days. Whoa.

1:36.6

You had breakfast with Mother Teresa? I could remember once. I said,

1:42.1

Mother, you've been in the worst sectors of the world imaginable.

1:47.0

Tell me, of all the things you've seen, what is the worst evil you've come across?

1:53.0

She looked at me without missing a beat, Matt.

1:55.0

She said, Wow. So, Father Perricone, you joined seminary in 1970. Is that correct?

2:11.4

That's correct. Actually, that would have been major seminary, Matt. I entered in 1968.

2:22.1

In what those days was called the divinity school. That would be men who would have gone to college but knew they had a vocation

2:27.6

with the priesthood. So they were settled into this two-year program where they would do

2:34.0

accelerated Latin and Greek. And then after that

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