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The Brian Lehrer Show

What Students Lose When ChatGPT Writes Their Essays

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Hua Hsu, New Yorker writer and Bard College professor, explores what students lose when ChatGPT writes their essays and what that says about the evolving purpose of higher education.

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Lowe show on WNYC.

0:13.0

Good morning again, everyone.

0:14.0

So picture this.

0:15.0

It's late.

0:16.0

You're a college student at your desk or in the library,

0:20.0

and you're working away on a paper

0:21.5

on maybe Shakespeare that you've been putting off for weeks.

0:25.8

Writing it is hard, but along the way, you surprise yourself.

0:29.3

As you write, you work something out on your own.

0:32.5

Vala, you've learned something about Shakespeare and maybe yourself.

0:36.5

But as students use AI tools like ChatGPT for

0:40.8

just about everything, including their essays, those moments might be going extinct.

0:47.0

Writing is hard. ChatGPT practically eliminates the difficulty of writing altogether,

0:53.1

or it can, depending on how you use it. But without the magic of

0:57.1

those little eureka moments and the enrichment that comes with them, what does that mean for an

1:03.0

education, especially in the humanities? Even if you get all A's, is AI just a tool that can help students

1:09.8

with learning and make them more efficient, maybe even

1:13.1

leave them more time to think? Or is it outsourcing and diminishing actual critical thinking?

1:20.7

Joining us now to try to answer some of those questions and we'll invite you in, students,

1:26.9

college professors, others to join

1:29.0

this conversation. Is Hua Shu, a New Yorker staff writer, who was also a professor of English at

1:35.2

Bard College and author of the memoir, Stay True, published in 2022. His new piece in The New Yorker

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