What should we make of the Starmer-Trump relationship?
Coffee House Shots
The Spectator
4.4 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 28 July 2025
⏱️ 14 minutes
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Summary
It’s often the rotator blades of Marine One that blare over Donald Trump’s voice as he stands near the helipad on the south lawn of the White House. In Turnberry, Scotland, it was bagpipes. Trump, playing host to the British Prime Minister in Britain, performed his now familiar ingratiation ritual as he welcomed Sir Keir and Lady Victoria Starmer to his golf course. “Our relationship is unparalleled,” he said, above the din. He flattered the PM’s wife and even suggested, in his delightful nonsensical way, that she is a well-known figure all over the United States.
Lucy Dunn is joined by US editor Freddy Gray and political editor Tim Shipman to discuss what the trip means, and what we should make of the Starmer-Trump relationship.
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| 0:51.3 | Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm Lissy Dunn and today I'm joined by Tim Shipman and Freddie Gray. |
| 1:01.2 | Today, Kierre Starmer is meeting Donald Trump at the US President's Turnberry Golf Course in Scotland, |
| 1:05.7 | where amongst other things he will speak to the president about the war in Gaza and the UK-US trade deal. |
| 1:11.2 | The business secretary Jonathan Reynolds said this morning that the UK government sees the deal as job-saved but not job done |
| 1:16.7 | and added there remains more to do, for example, on things like steel and aluminium. |
| 1:21.8 | Freddie, do you think Trump sees things this way, that negotiations are still open? |
| 1:26.1 | I don't think Trump thinks about negotiated so |
| 1:28.3 | much. As he says about trade, it's complicated and it's not complicated. So I think as far as he's |
| 1:34.5 | concerned, they've got an agreement over the line and it's for the minions and ministers to sort out |
| 1:41.1 | the detail. I think it seems as though, judging from his appearance |
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