What Shape is Space?
The Supermassive Podcast
Izzie Clarke
4.6 • 556 Ratings
🗓️ 12 August 2025
⏱️ 19 minutes
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Summary
Izzie Clarke is joined by Dr Robert Massey to tackle your questions on the shape of space, measuring gravitational waves and planet spotting. We also have another - another! - astronaut: Producer Richard chats to British ESA astronaut Rosemary Coogan about her background as an astrophysicist.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to another bonus episode of the Supermassive podcast with me, science journalist Izzy Clark and as ever, Dr Robert Massey, the deputy director of the Royal Astronomical Society, is here too. |
| 0:16.6 | So after our astronaut special last time, we've got one more astronaut for you. |
| 0:22.1 | We'll hear from British European Space Agency astronaut, Rosemary Kugan, who is also an astrophysicist. |
| 0:27.8 | My goodness, they just never stop, do they, astronauts? |
| 0:30.7 | They're just such overachievers. |
| 0:32.0 | I will continually say that. |
| 0:35.0 | But this is also time for us to catch up on the supermassive mailbox. So, Robert, first up, |
| 0:40.9 | we have an email from John Hickson. And I'm going to paraphrase his question, which is about the |
| 0:46.3 | shape of the universe. So, Robert, is it curved? Is it flat? What shape is space? I'm glad you |
| 0:53.0 | paraphrase that, Izzy. The simple questions are always |
| 0:56.2 | great, aren't they? John, the short answer is that we think it's flat. Now, this is not an easy |
| 1:01.9 | concept in itself, as you have to imagine a universe sort of shaped beyond the three dimensions of space, |
| 1:06.5 | or four of you include time, and something that we don't experience that, you know, even if there |
| 1:11.5 | is that curvature, we wouldn't experience it on a local level, right? |
| 1:14.5 | So you're talking about very large scales. |
| 1:17.3 | And I was reading around this and I thought, well, actually, you know, the analogy is given that |
| 1:21.5 | if you think about a triangle on a flat piece of paper, okay, the angles add up to 180 degrees if you think back to your |
| 1:28.7 | GCSE maths course or O-level maths course if you're old enough. But if you curve that paper, |
| 1:34.6 | then the angle, the sum of the angles changes. If you draw a triangle on a sphere, for example, |
| 1:38.4 | it's more than 118. If it's negatively curved, it's like a saddle shape, then the total is less than 180. |
| 1:43.9 | So in a positively curved |
| 1:45.9 | universe in some kind of hypersphere, then in theory, light would eventually travel back more or less |
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