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Welcome to the Saturday edition of Coffee House Shots for Spectators,

Politics Podcast, which has been a week dominated by talk of the immigration figures.

People were expecting net migration of 700,000.

It came in at a bit below that, 600,000,

but still pretty far away from a tens of thousands figure of a David Cameron

spent so long promising when he was Prime Minister.

The minister at the time was Damien Green.

He joined us now as does James Kirkup, who runs a social market foundation.

Now Damien, you must be the most successful immigration minister in recent

Tory history, because you actually did get the net's number down.

So what went right? What was your secret?

This was in the era of free movement as well.

So it was difficult to really do anything about EU migration.

We did bring it down, and among the, I mean, we did various things,

and we sought out, to some extent, the asylum system,

so that actually we could make sure that people got their decision one way or the other quickly.

But more importantly, was finding the big loopholes, and they change over time.

And the big one for us was bogus colleges, if you remember them,

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