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What's Up With Nightmares?

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🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Dreams of flying? Nightmares of teeth falling out? Falling off a cliff? As a sleep scientist at the University of Montreal, Michelle Carr has pretty much heard it all. In Michelle’s new book Nightmare Obscura, she explores the science of dreams, nightmares – and even something called dream engineering, where people influence their own dreams while they sleep. Today on Short Wave, co-host Regina G. Barber dives into the science of our sleeping life with Michelle Carr.


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0:00.0

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR.

0:08.0

You come home from work, you're exhausted.

0:10.8

You finally get into bed and your head hits the pillow.

0:13.9

And then the next thing you know, your car is barely out of control on the highway.

0:20.2

You're going around that turn.

0:23.7

But you're in the back seat.

0:25.9

You can't reach the brakes.

0:30.2

At least, that's my reoccurring nightmare.

0:33.1

But when I told that to Michelle Carr, she wasn't phased.

0:36.5

That is a very common dream theme. I have it all the time as well.

0:40.3

I think it's just related to our physical body being, like not really receiving any sensation of the car pedal.

0:47.6

So the dream is like going out of control.

0:49.5

As a sleep scientist at the University of Montreal, her job is basically watching people sleep.

0:56.0

So when it comes to dreams and nightmares, she's pretty much hurt at all.

1:00.4

Teeth falling out or flying or finding new rooms in my house.

1:07.1

Michelle is the author of the new book called Nightmare Obscura.

1:10.9

In it, she explores the science of dreams, nightmares, even something called dream engineering,

1:17.0

where people are able to influence their own dreams while they sleep.

1:20.6

But why we dream or get nightmares is still a bit mysterious for scientists.

1:26.5

We know so much about how important sleep is for our health,

1:30.0

but we're only just beginning to uncover whether dreaming

1:33.5

and the way that we feel during sleep is significant in our health as well.

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