Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, S.C.S, and welcome to another episode of Surviving The Survivor, the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and this is a show so good it happens

every Friday great Scott to true crime Phil although we miss Phil last week and we dove into yet another story but we missed Phil

Since I started talking we've lost three people already people already people are gonna file in here because it's Phil and Scott and better start seeing some people go on up.

Busy week with Donna Adelson heading to trial.

We had another hearing this morning, we covered that live and she's looking like she's going to

have a very uphill battle in this trial.

Phil, some good news and bad news.

The good news is I have shipped out your book.

I was very late in doing that. apologies sent you a copy of surviving the

The problem is they wanted like a hundred and ninety dollars or something at UPS for me to ship a book to Hawaii

So I sent it to Houston.

Instead I thought you would enjoy reading it in Houston.

It was not a money issue.

I just felt like Houston would be a more appropriate place. You could sit there, you can lounge in your Ferrari.

By the way, Phil, before the reason...

I think you will affirm this, that when anybody says it's not a money issue,

it is.

By the way, Phil and Scott, you may not know this, but Jewish people, religious Jews,

it wouldn't be me, I don't think, but religious Jews in court are not allowed to say

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