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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

What’s the Deal with Congestion Pricing? with Janno Lieber

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Janno Lieber, chair and CEO of the Metropolitan Transit Authority, joins WITHpod to discuss the effects of congestion pricing in NYC, legal fights ahead and more.

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0:00.0

The best precedent for this is when Bloomberg instituted no smoking in restaurants and bars.

0:14.0

And some of the same people who are crazed about congestion and pricing were saying it's going to kill the city's nightlife.

0:19.6

Nobody will ever come to New York

0:21.0

again to go to a restaurant. You did it. Everybody said, hey, this is great. I don't have to get

0:26.4

my clothes cleaned every time I go out for a meal. And there was no discussion further because

0:30.7

everybody loved it. It's a little bit like that analogy.

0:41.0

Hello, and welcome to why is it happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:55.6

In 1789, Benjamin Franklin was writing to a correspondent Jean-Paptiste-Leroy, having just sort of gotten through the Constitutional Convention. And he said our new Constitution is now established and has an

0:59.8

appearance that promises permanency. But in this world, and you know what comes next because it's

1:04.0

become a sort of cliche, nothing can be certain except death and taxes. I would add one thing

1:10.4

in addition to that, which is in the modern world, nothing can be certain except death and taxes. I would add one thing in addition to that, which is in the modern world,

1:13.4

nothing can be certain except death, taxes, and traffic. I've just been on book tour, and it's

1:19.9

very funny how it's almost like a sticky thing. Wherever you go in the country, you can make a

1:24.6

joke about the traffic there where people's eyes light up in recognition. Like if you're in Houston, you can make a joke about the traffic there where people's eyes light up in

1:28.1

recognition. Like if you're in Houston, you can make a joke about Houston traffic. If you're

1:32.4

Los Angeles, you can make a joke about Los Angeles traffic. And everyone's like, yeah, our traffic is

1:36.5

really bad. But when you realize when you're on tour, is that everyone's traffic is bad and traffic

1:41.4

is bad everywhere. And the reason I'm saying this is because one of the things that I've thought a lot about is I spent all day thinking about

1:48.8

national politics. But when I think about my life and like the little micro instance,

1:53.0

when I'm thinking about some policy issue that's really relevant to my life, a shocking

1:59.5

proportion of them come down to like how the public streets are

2:02.7

used. That's like a big part of my life. People double parking, people parking in front of the

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