I think that our party has become too complacent, too respectable, unwilling to say, well, you know, they, they suit to this level or they're, you know, they do this or they do that. We're above that. Those days are over. We cannot think in those terms.

We have to, we have to push through, you know, this attention economy that you've talked so much about and some of the other folks have talked about.

We have to make sure that we are fighting fire with fire that we're being more aggressive than they are, that we're using pop culture,

entertainment to reach other voters,

that we're doubling down

in working class issues,

that we're not just leaning into

all of our degrees

and what we learned at the university

and our graduate degrees,

that we're actually talking to,

bringing in,

and listening to working class people.

Hello and welcome to why is this happening with me your host Chris Hayes.

I've been out on the road for promoting my book, The Sirens Call, How Attention became

the World's Most Dangered Resource. And one of the things that's been awesome about it, I've seen a

bunch of you there. People have come up to me who listen to the podcast. And I've gotten to talk

to thousands of folks who are, you know, the kind of people that are really, really desperately

concerned about the direction of the country. And what I hear a lot of people that are really, really desperately concerned about the direction

of the country. And what I hear a lot of is, what are the Democrats doing? Where is the leadership

from the Democratic Party? And I'm speaking to you the day after the State of the Union. You'll hear

this a week afterwards where there was this sort of question about what Democrats would do. Some held up

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