What’s The Cold, Hard Truth About Ice In Hawaiʻi? with Hiʻilei Julia Kawehipuaakahaopulani Hobart

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

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🗓️ 7 December 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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In the mid-1800s, Americans shipped ice to Hawaiʻi in the hopes that there would be a market for it. There wasn’t. So how did ice—in the form of cocktails, ice cream, shave ice, and beyond—become lodged in Hawaiʻi’s foodscape? This week, Professor Hiʻilei Julia Kawehipuaakahaopulani Hobart joins Jonathan to discuss the social history of ice and refrigeration in Hawaiʻi—and what this history reveals about colonial relationships to the tropics. Hiʻilei Julia Kawehipuaakahaopulani Hobart (Kanaka Maoli) is Assistant Professor of Native and Indigenous Studies at Yale University. An interdisciplinary scholar, she researches and teaches on issues of settler colonialism, environment, and Indigenous sovereignty. Her first book, Cooling the Tropics: Ice, Indigeneity, and Hawaiian Refreshment is published by Duke University Press. You can follow Professor Hobart on Twitter @hiokinai. The first edition of Cooling the Tropics will feature a rainbow iridescent cover, so be sure to pick up a copy before they’re sold out! Follow us on Instagram and Twitter @CuriousWithJVN to join the conversation. Jonathan is on Instagram and Twitter @JVN and @Jonathan.Vanness on Facebook. Transcripts for each episode are available at JonathanVanNess.com. Our executive producer is Erica Getto. Our associate producer is Zahra Crim. Our editor is Andrew Carson. Our theme music is “Freak” by QUIÑ; for more, head to TheQuinCat.com.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Getting Here Yes, I'm Jonathan Vaness, and every week I sit down for a gorgeous
0:04.2	conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.
0:08.8	This episode is so freaking amazing, it's so good, it's on the most interesting topic ever.
0:14.7	Ah, on today's episode, I'm joined by Hiile, Julia, Kabe, Hippua, Akaha, Opulani, Hobart,
0:22.4	where I ask her, what's the cold, hard truth about ice and Hawaii?
0:27.1	Welcome to Getting Here Yes, have we got an exciting episode for you honey.
0:33.8	Today we are taking a cold hard look at how ice became embedded within Hawaii's food
0:39.7	scape, and what this history reveals about colonial relationships to the tropics.
0:44.8	So let's welcome to the show, our guest, Hilei Julia Hobart, who is an assistant professor
0:50.4	of Native and Indigenous Studies at Yale University.
0:53.6	An interdisciplinary scholar, she researchers and teaches on issues of settler colonialism,
0:58.6	environment and Indigenous sovereignty, and her new book, Cooling the Tropics, Ice,
1:03.9	Indiginity, and Hawaiian refreshment. She explores the social history of ice and refrigeration
1:09.3	in Hawaii from chill drinks and sweets to machinery. Ah, how are you Hilei?
1:15.3	I am so well, thank you for having me today.
1:18.6	So congratulations on your new book by the way.
1:21.4	Thank you.
1:22.4	Yes. So your book is premised on the idea that, quote, while temperature is measurable,
1:28.0	quote, cold is subjective. Can you explain that distinction for us?
1:33.2	Yeah, I can. When I started to dive into the world of freshness and refreshment,
1:39.9	one of the things that I noticed was that, well, we've known for a really long time how to
1:45.3	measure temperature, the language that we've come up with to talk about temperature
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