Hi, NSC viewers! Happy New Year! We're off this week, so we're sharing one of our favorite

questions from the NSCU archive. In this episode, Steven and Angela discuss retirement,

as well as the excitement and challenges associated with starting a new life chapter.

If you're considering making a big change in 2023, we hope you'll find their discussion helpful.

Stay tuned after the conversation for thoughts from listeners on the subject of last week's episode

about giving and receiving gifts. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

Dogs really are the splendor of relationships. I'm Angela Duckworth.

I'm Steven Dubner. And you're listening to no stupid questions.

Today on the show, what does a good retirement look like?

I'm going to retire and I could travel, I could take up fly fishing.

I could write a novel, but... That TV.

Steven, we have a letter from a Pat Tell-you-Hon. Hi, Pat.

Pat says, I am 65 years old and I'm having problems with the decision to retire.

I like my current job and I'm concerned that my retirement experience won't be as rewarding as my

current experience. It won't be, Pat. Well, we shall debate that. Most people I know in the workforce

look forward to retirement, but I think there might be some like me who have concerns.

Angie and I are just like you, Pat. Don't worry.

Here's the lessons. Can you offer guidance to us reluctant retirees about how to get off the

fence? So in terms of, can we offer guidance, Pat? Oh, yes. I feel we can offer guidance.

So Pat is older than me, but I too have contemplated retirement and then I moved violently in the

opposite direction. Wait, you already contemplated retirement? I did. I've been doing

Freconomics radio for years and it is a real... It's a grind. A grind has such a negative connotation

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