This is simple. I'm Tishoxen writer.

All right, friends, in this episode I am talking with my dear friend Mike Willin Smith.

You may know her on the internet as

the Nester. She writes and talks about home and how we think about our homes

in the most life-giving freeing. I needed to hear that way and I love her for it.

She's got a beautiful Instagram feed at the Nesta,

but she doesn't make you feel bad about that,

you know what I mean?

Her generosity and sharing her wisdom,

her laid-back real-person approach to decor, style, and living

well in our homes is just what we normal humans need, and I am so grateful to call her a friend. In this episode Mike

Willen is sharing with me the four things saving her life. Now we do this around

here from time to time and we're going to start doing it more because I love it so much and from what I can see y'all love it too.

Hello download numbers.

But what do I mean by that? The phrase saving my life. It's kind of weird, right?

It actually originally comes from Barbara Brown Taylor. A writer and priest who in her book, an altar in the world, says this.

My life depends on ignoring all touted documents. In her book, an altar in the world says this.

My life depends on ignoring all touted distinctions between the secular and the sacred, the physical

and the spiritual, the body and the soul.

What is saving my life now is becoming more fully human trusting that there is no way to God

apart from real life in the real world.

And so in these episodes we talk about the small things that are saving our lives, you know, the little things that are making everything better that are helping us be more fully human,

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