A liberal democracy is always going to have goals.

It's always going to have these kind of political tribes

or religious tribes or whatever.

And the thing that makes a liberal democracy special

isn't that it gets rid of these.

It's that it has an immune system to keep them from taking over.

And what's happened, I think, in the last decade,

a few decades, but especially in most recent decades,

maybe due to social media and a few other things,

people have gotten to very, very scared of these goals.

They become scarier, you know?

And that has turned into the people stopping

standing up for liberal values and going quiet.

And that's the immune system failing.

That's, you know, when you scale up, a bunch of scared

individuals, you get a mass scale, you get this immune system

failing, and these golems kind of like Godzilla

trampling through society in a way that they really couldn't

do in the older days.

You know, this is pretty new.

It is my pleasure to welcome to the podcast, the author of the new book, What's Our Problem.

You know him as, wait, but why?

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