Welcome to the Green Alliance podcast.

We are the charity and think tank dedicated to achieving ambitious leadership for the environment.

I'm Ruth Chambers, Senior Fellow at Green Alliance.

And I'm delighted to be joined today by Hugh Aranka Davis, a Welsh Labour member of the Welsh Parliament,

Senet Cymoury and Deputy First Minister of Wales.

Crois or Hu, and thanks for joining us today.

Dionne, it's lovely to be with you. It really is. I'm looking forward to this conversation.

Not quite sure where it's going to go, but happy for it to go anywhere.

Well, let's see where we end up. I've been thinking back actually to when we first met,

and we weren't quite in short trousers, but it was around 20 years ago. And you were an MP,

an Environment Minister at DEPRA, and I was working for the campaign for National Parks.

And one of the things, one of the brilliant things that happened on your watch when you were a deaf from minister

was the creation of the South Downs National Park, which strengthened environmental protection and economic outcomes

across a really large part of southern England. But since being elected to the Welsh Parliament,

you've led scrutiny of the Welsh Government's

environmental record when you were a backbencher, and you're now Cabinet Secretary for climate

change and rural affairs, which means you're the lead government minister responsible for the

environment, as well as Deputy First Minister. that's been quite the journey.

And I'd love your reflections on any differences that you've picked up over the years

in how the UK and the Welsh governments and Parliaments

approach their work on environmental policy.

Yeah, well, thanks for the opportunity to reflect a little bit

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