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THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

What’s Next for Israel + A Conversation with Nathan Thrall

THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

Audio Up Media

News, Politics

4.78.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2023

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Mea Culpa welcomes Nathan Thrall, a Jerusalem-based journalist and the author of “A Day in the Life of Abed Salama.” The former director of the Arab-Israeli project, Thrall spent over a decade with the International Crisis Group. His reported features, analyses, and criticism have appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, and The New York Review of Books and have been translated into more than a dozen languages. He has been described as “one of the best-informed and most trenchant observers of the conflict” (Financial Times), “an American analyst with a severe allergy to conventional wisdom” (Time), and the author of a series of articles “that have defined the new intellectual and political parameters for what is increasingly recognized as Israel-Palestine’s one-state (or post-two-state) reality” (The New York Review of Books). Thrall has been on a book tour outside of Israel while his wife and daughter remain in Jerusalem and in many ways, he must internalize what’s happening in a state of exile as he Zooms in from one interview to the next. In the days immediately preceding the attacks, Thrall spoke to the New Yorker, Los Angeles Times, The Guardian, The Forward, and Time Magazine. By the time he joined us on Mea Culpa, Thrall it seems had enough. So, I must warn you that the conversation you are about to hear is extremely emotional. It's impossible not to feel this passionate when you are witnessing your country and the people who live inside it come apart at the seams. What you are about to hear is the sound of two people coming to terms with heartbreak, loss, and the end of a dream. What comes next is the operative question.

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1:00.0

This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the Mayo Copa podcast. Nearly two weeks have passed since Hamas unleashed the worst attack on Israeli soil in 50 years.

1:14.0

But the sorrow and rage has not dissipated one bit. In fact, as Israel buries its dead and continues to find more bodies, the shock of what happened continues to metastasize.

1:28.0

But one thing is abundantly clear. Once the dust settles and the war ends, those who are in charge must be held accountable.

1:36.0

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is facing growing condemnation for the security lapses preceding the brutal Hamas attack in southern Israel.

1:46.0

With the family member of one casualty telling a TV broadcast, we will never forgive you.

1:53.0

Israeli newspapers and social media users have blamed the intelligence shortcomings on the Prime Minister, which led to the biggest attack on Israel since the 1973 Yom Kippur War and have called for his resignation.

2:08.0

But the Hamas attack is arguably worse than the one that launched the Yom Kippur War.

2:14.0

Hamas, a guerrilla organization that controls the Gaza Strip, killed many more Israeli civilians in the first days of this war than Egypt and Syria.

2:25.0

Sovereign nations with national armies killed during the October War 50 years ago.

2:31.0

Hamas struck targets deep inside Israeli towns.

2:36.0

The magnitude and sophistication of these attacks carried out in multiple locations and involving thousands of fighters imply that this offensive was in the works for more than several months if not longer.

2:51.0

And intelligence gathering should have been easier in Gaza where Israel is reputed to have massive surveillance system than it was in Egypt and Syria in the early 1970s.

3:04.0

So the question becomes how could Israel have missed the planning on this terrible assault?

3:10.0

Now I want to be very clear about something. I'm not military or intelligence expert and I won't pretend to be one.

3:17.0

These answers will come in time and whoever was asleep at the switch will be held accountable.

3:24.0

What's more concerning to me is the effect that these attacks have had on the psyche of Israel as a whole and its idea of itself is a nation.

3:34.0

I have many friends and family in Israel and as the son of a Holocaust survivor, the notion of a Jewish homeland, it's sacrosigned.

3:44.0

Ever since the founding of the state of Israel, there was a promise that Jews finally had a place to go where they would be safe from the hate and the barbarism that had followed them for so many centuries.

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