People on the left are like why you still remember the low party? Why would you vote for low party?

There is no vote for it. It's to destroy it.

I was a spokesperson for Jeremy Corbyn between 2016 and 2017.

I'm off.

One of the things I really like about you is you, you know,

whatever your ideological leanings, you have someone who tries to work across different lines,

and you're interested in talking to people with different points of view and trying to persuade people

as opposed to, you know, screaming, shouting, the way we do politics nowadays.

And how do you reflect on your time in politics?

Does it allow for that sort of thing? Have we got worse at doing that, better at doing that?

What were your experiences like?

Well, I've slowly come to terms with the realisation that maybe we're not going to build

socialism in Britain and any time soon.

Have you now?

How did you realise that? That's a genuinely interesting question.

Or was that just a joke?

No, no, no. I mean, look, obviously the Corbyn project went the way it went

and had its many different structural challenges that were impossible.

He's gone into political speak now.

It didn't work out.

It didn't work out.

And look, I mean, I think that there's a lot of areas where public policy and governance can be improved,

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