Welcome to Getting Curious, I'm Jonathan Van Ness, and every week I sit down for a gorgeous

conversation with a brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious.

On today's episode, I'm joined by Kelly Dunham and Mary Johnson, where I ask them,

what's it like to be an X-Nun?

Welcome to Getting Curious, this is Jonathan Van Ness, I am so excited, I have got to

welcome our guests, we have two guests, which is also a really special episode of Getting Curious

because we don't often have two people, Kelly Dunham and Mary Johnson, who are both,

I need to switch back into my more professional podcast voice now that I got so excited,

who are both former congregants of the missionaries of charity, Mary spent 20 years as a

nun with the sisters of Mother Teresa of Calcutta and Kelly served as a nun in the South Bronx.

Those were like three really major sentences and I'm also going to break my new journalistic rule,

Kelly, your hair colors, everything I wish that this was a TV show sometimes so that people could

see your hair color, it's everything, it's vibrant. And Mary, I say you have great texture to,

I love your curls, I love your ways, your hair is gorgeous too, welcome both, how are you, Kelly,

how are you, Mary? I'm doing great, yeah, thanks, I don't have great attention to detail,

so I just feel happy that the color is not on my ears, you know, and all over my house.

You played kitchen beautician, you did it yourself. I did, I did this myself, yeah,

I actually did it to distract, I had a large other change in my appearance that I didn't want

people to come on time and it works perfectly. Now people don't comment on that, they just say,

oh, I love you, oh, well, it's excellent, it's perfect. I'm really excited to be here with you,

Jonathan, and I have the gray hair, but it started turning gray when I was like 30. And then when

I left the sisters, I said, I want to have fun with my hair, so I turned it all copper and then

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