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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

What's In Your Index Fund? | Katie & Alan Donegan

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Investing, Business

4.85.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Most investors have no idea what's actually inside their index funds — a blind spot that could cost them during the next market downturn. Alan and Katie Donegan from the Rebel Finance School spent lockdown analyzing the composition of popular index funds, and what they discovered challenges some widely-held assumptions about diversification and fees. Brad Barrett talks with the Donegans about their deep dive into how index funds actually work. The conversation examines home country bias, automated rebalancing, fee structures, and whether ESG funds deliver on their promises. Katie shares specific findings from her research into funds like VTSAX, revealing how market cap weighting determines what you actually own. Key Topics Introduction to Index Funds [00:00:00] Alan and Katie share their background and why they became interested in understanding index funds at a granular level. Understanding What You're Investing In [00:02:00] Knowing the composition of index funds helps build trust during market fluctuations. Katie discusses analyzing their own portfolio during lockdown. Home Country Bias [00:06:00] How investors favor domestic investments and the implications for portfolio diversification. Automated Rebalancing of Global Funds [00:18:00] Index funds automatically adjust based on country performance, removing the need for constant monitoring. Impact of Fees on Investment Success [00:45:00] The correlation between lower fees and higher investment returns; how fees affect long-term growth. Conclusion and Future of Investing [00:51:00] Keeping an open mind about future investing strategies; how index funds adapt over time. Key Insights Lower fees are crucial for maximizing returns over time, as evidenced by numerous studies Global index funds offer significant diversification, reducing risks associated with home country bias Understanding the underlying assets of index funds, including market capitalization weighting, helps investors make informed decisions Takeaways Clarify which investments are in your portfolio to better withstand market downturns Prioritize low-cost index funds to maximize returns in the long term Diversify by considering international funds to mitigate home country bias Notable Quotes "Charges are the number one predictor of investment success." [00:45:21] "With a global index fund, you need not worry about market specifics." [00:18:40] "Invest in the winners without needing to choose." [00:53:00] Resources VTSAX Analysis Article [00:21:00] Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund [00:12:23]

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Brad. Before we get into the episode, I wanted to pass along two quick things.

0:04.2

First, we're getting ready to record our sixth annual year-end wins episode, where we share all

0:09.4

the incredible action you have taken on your path to five this year. We'll record this in December,

0:14.7

so we need you to send in your wins for 2022 ASAP. So two different ways to do that. Go to choose

0:20.3

a vibe.com slash voicemail, and you can send in a voicemail that I'll play on the episode,

0:25.1

or you can go to choose a vibe.com slash subscribe, and you'll get on my five weekly newsletter

0:31.1

that comes out every Tuesday. Just hit reply to any of those emails. They come directly to me,

0:36.1

and just give me a list of everything you've done. So that's the first big thing. The second is,

0:41.2

as you know, travel rewards are one of the pillars of fire, and there are some incredible bonus

0:46.0

offers on two of our favorite business credit cards. These were just too good not to tell you about.

0:51.8

So I'm recording this on November 15th, 2022. So these are accurate as of today,

0:58.5

and the Chase Inc. business cash and the Chase Inc. business unlimited have the best bonus

1:05.6

offers that I've ever seen on these. They've literally the best bonus offers ever. So these are

1:10.0

two no-annual fee cards, and they actually offer Chase's ultimate rewards points, even though they're

1:16.7

billed as cash back credit cards. If you have one of the premium Chase credit cards that have

1:23.0

ultimate rewards points that are transferable, so that's the Sapphire Preferred, the Sapphire Reserve,

1:28.8

and the Inc. business preferred, then all of these ultimate rewards points that you get from these

1:34.0

two cards become the much more valuable transferable ultimate rewards points. So right now,

1:40.1

they're each offering 90,000 ultimate rewards points when you spend $6,000 in the first three

1:46.6

months. So Chase builds that as $900 cash back, but I think you could turn those 90,000

1:53.2

ultimate rewards points into at least $1800 worth of free or nearly free travel. So these cards

2:00.4

are really, really interesting if you have a small business or any type of side hustle. So go to

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