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So Renato, what do you think of the indictment that was unsealed today in Manhattan?

It's complicated.

I'm Renata Mariati. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.

And I'm Aisha Rangappa. I teach national security law at Yale University. I'm a former FBI special agent and a legal and national security analyst.

And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down to a sound bite or a tweet.

So, Asha, here we are.

It's late late night.

The night of the indictment.

You've got your wine.

I am so tired, I'm like, I can't do wine

because I don't know if I could make it through the podcast

if I was drinking wine so I have like a sparkling water mocktail

to try it to catch the spirit of the wine without having wine.

I'm going to know you don't have fries.

So it's not like I'm missing out of wine and fries.

But this is sort of like a wine and fries chat.

It is.

And it is complicated.

I have to say when I look at this indictment, I mean, I will just say that since our last podcast I've spent a lot of time talking to former Manhattan Assistant District

Attorneys in public defenders and anybody I could talk to who has a lot of

experience in the Manhattan Criminal Defense Bar,

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