You are listening to the Roberta Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

From New York City, Roberta Glass is now on the record.

I have a very special guest today, the podcaster of Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell's closet,

and she has been reading the transcripts, episode by episode, page by page, and we're going to talk a little bit about what is in the Joufrey versus Maxwell documents.

Welcome.

Hi.

Thanks for having.

Thanks so much for agreeing to do this.

So you frequently talk about on your podcast, you refer to the monster.

So what is the monster?

The monster, if you want imagery, I can speak an analogy, metaphor type thing. I initially, and I'm not the only one who, I forget his name, but there's a book

written by somebody who is now dead, who talks about the octopus, and that's the monster.

Danny, is it Danny Constanello? Is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is that who you're talking about? I know I'm mispronouncing his name, but I know who you're talking about.

Yeah, Castellero. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's him. So you were inspired by that

imagery and well, not his, not his. I'd already, like, I'd already...

So is this intelligence?

Let me give you my analogies. Okay. So the monster to me, the when I imagine what the manifestation

of the monster would be, this ancient Greek depiction of the Gorgon, Medusa.

And this Gorgon has the snakes for heads and you turn to stone when you look at them

and they're just, you know, they're monsters, right?

So this depiction of this Gorgon Medusa had eight snakes and then the main head, which is exactly

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