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The Briefing Room

What's happening with the Ukraine peace plan?

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

President Trump wants an end to the war in Ukraine. The Ukrainians want peace too - but not at any cost. The past week saw the emergence of a leaked US 28 - point- plan which was wholly unacceptable to President Zelensky and European leaders. But how it originated and why it looked like a Russian wish list has led to intense debate. ( It included Ukraine giving up territory it still holds in the east, as well as the area already occupied by Russia, a cap on the Ukrainian army of 600 thousand, a permanent ban on NATO membership for Ukraine and an amnesty on all war crimes. ) Talks hastily took place in Europe and Abu Dhabi and there’s now a revised version still to be agreed with Russia. President Zelensky wants to meet President Trump to agree the most sensitive issues.. So why did this latest attempt at peace in Ukraine emerge through a leaked document which many assumed had come straight from Russia? How has Europe and Ukraine responded and could it really mean an end to nearly four years of war?

Guests: Angela Stent, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and former National Intelligence Officer for Russia and Eurasia. Sir Lawrence Freedman, Emeritus Professor of War Studies at King’s College, London Christopher Miller, Financial Times’ Chief Ukraine Correspondent Sir Laurie Bristow, former UK Ambassador to Russia and President of Hughes Hall, Cambridge.

Presenter: David Aaronovitch Producers: Caroline Bayley, Cordelia Hemming, Kirsteen Knight Production co-ordinator: Maria Ogundele Sound Engineer: James Beard Editor: Richard Vadon

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:10.4

Last week, the American news website Axios suddenly ran a story saying that there was a new peace plan for Ukraine, that the US had signed up to it, and here were the leaked details.

0:21.9

It was supposed to be the brainchild of a Trump envoy called Steve Whitkoff and a Russian businessman

0:27.3

called Kirill Dimitriev. One look at the plan told the world that it appeared highly

0:32.7

favourable to Russia. What followed seemed chaotic. Within hours, its status had been downgraded,

0:39.5

its origins questioned, and a counterplan drawn up. So what is, or was, the Witkoff-Dimitri

0:47.1

of Pact? What's happened to it? What does it tell us about the Americans, the Europeans,

0:52.3

the protagonists themselves, and the prospects

0:55.3

for peace? Step into the briefing room and together we'll find out.

1:04.3

First, let's look at where this peace plan came from. I'm joined by Angela Stent, who's a senior

1:10.1

fellow at the American Enterprise Institute,

1:12.1

an independent think tank in Washington, and she's a former American National Intelligence Officer

1:16.6

for Russia and Eurasia. Andrew Sten, can you take us through the events of the past week

1:21.5

in terms of how this peace plan emerged? Well, it's quite dizzying a week ago, Axios, which is a popular media outlet here,

1:31.7

published a leaked version of this peace plan, and then immediately there was a flurry of activity.

1:40.0

Then the next day, Friday, Dan Driscoll, who is the Secretary of the Army, was sent to Kiev to

1:47.0

brief both the Ukrainians and the European ambassadors in Kiev about what this plan held.

1:54.0

He apparently had to be schooled before he went on the history of the conflict because he was

1:58.7

not familiar with it.

2:00.3

Then, of course, there were,

2:01.6

the Ukrainians were very concerned about this draft, the Europeans were very concerned about

2:06.3

this draft. And so on Sunday, in Geneva, there was a meeting both between American

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