Hello, my name is David Ronsman and this is Talking Politics. Today we have three experts

with us on Brazil, politics, culture, society and they are going to try and help us make sense

of the election of Bolsonaro, what it means for the country and what it means for the world.

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an issue. I'm going to let them introduce themselves so you know where they're coming from.

I'm Nadia Gimmaris, I'm from São Paulo, the University of São Paulo, I teach sociology

and I do sociology of work. I'm Graham Daniel Willis, I'm a lecturer here in the Department

of Politics at Cambridge and I work on violence, organized crime, urbanization in Brazil,

thinking a lot about the politics of neoliberalism and abandonment.

I'm Pedro Mendez-Loreiro, also a lecturer here at Pollers, Elections Latin American Studies.

I work forcuses on inequalities, structural change and development in Latin America but

particularly Brazil. Perfect. We're going to try and sketch out the background both to this man

and to his election because it's apart from the other, it's a remarkable story.

So his career was in the army before politics and the role of the army in Brazilian politics

is a crucial issue here. So you just want to help us understand both his relationship to the army

and then the army's relationship to the state. It's interesting because if we take both sonaroe

as a reference, he actually is not the perfect kind of military. It is not a perfect representative

of the army and besides what is the army? There is heterogeneity, diversity, including ideological

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