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Welcome to Coffeehouse shots for Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast.

Has the Glasnost of COVID restrictions finally begun?

We heard this morning that school children may not have to self-isolate if somebody in their class gets the virus,

which would be welcome relief to the many parents, for 105,000 of them apparently, who are self-isolating right now.

Is this Sajad Javid's influence already?

I'm Fraser Nelson and I'm joined by Katie Bowles and James Versaith.

Now James, Javid's been in the job two days, so we can't realistically think that new school

advisors down to him. But it does seem to be a change in the wind, shall we say?

Well, I don't think, as you say, he's been in post for too short a period of time to say

this is his effect on policy. I think what you have seen is a tonal shift from

government towards a kind of more forward-leading approach to kind of living with the virus. And I think

also one of the things that you are seeing with schools with the rise of a delta variant is that when

COVID cases spike, the current school bubbles policy, essentially guts education,

makes it very difficult to believe that you could have rigorous exams even next summer

and basically more and more disruption.

And so I think the argument, which is gathering strength, is that the current policy is just too restrictive.

Some of these bubbles are 100 children big. One kid testing positive is sending them all home back. That's

clearly not practical. It's also never been clear to me what good it does. I mean, this policy's

been in place for quite some time now. And normally, you continue with the policy if it shows a measurable

success. I'm not sure this. I think this is why the policy if it shows a measurable success i'm not sure this i think this is

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