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What’s driving political violence in America?

Americano

The Spectator

Politics, News, News Commentary

4714 Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old from south-west Utah, has been detained over the shooting of Kirk, a conservative activist and close ally of Donald Trump. Author and anthropologist Max Horder joins Freddy Gray to discuss the cocktail of online hate and tribal divisions that's fuelling America's new era of political violence.


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Hello and welcome back to the Americano show, where we talk about power, politics and prejudices in American life.

0:56.1

Every week we will talk to at least one or two or possibly three or four American experts, international experts about American affairs. And you can also catch us on Spectator TV on YouTube as often as you like.

1:03.6

Please keep listening and watching. Today we're going to be talking about violence in America

1:10.0

because as everybody knows, Charlie Kirk

1:12.7

was shot dead on Wednesday night and the police, the FBI, have just announced that they have

1:21.4

apprehended Tyler Robinson, who is apparently a student. We don't know anything about his politics, and there's

1:30.6

lots of wild conjecture as to what it might be. A lot of it's saying that he must be a left-wing

1:35.8

radical, he must be a right-wing radical. We are not going to get into any of that, but we are

1:42.9

going to talk about the fact that the internet seems to be radicalising people politically in very dangerous directions.

1:51.6

And to discuss this, I'm joined by Max Horder, who is an anthropologist.

1:57.0

You did do this cover for us in July it's called Assassin's Creed the new violence of the left

2:06.6

I got criticised a bit for saying the new violence a lot of right wings like the left has always been violent

2:10.9

but what we were talking about was the new style of violence or the new pattern of violence

2:16.0

which is very online.

2:20.2

Let's not get into Tyler Robinson's ideology because we don't know a lot about it.

2:26.2

But there's quite a possibility that he had some sort of political hatred of Charlie Kirk.

2:34.1

That seems a very strong possibility.

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