What’s driving Cuba’s largest exodus in decades?
The Take
Al Jazeera
4.7 • 748 Ratings
🗓️ 19 December 2025
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Beset by food shortages, blackouts, and severe inflation, a growing number of Cubans are leaving the island. What’s driving them, where are they going, and why is the government no longer trying to stop it from happening?
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- Andrés Pertierra (@ASPertierra), historian
Episode credits:
This episode was produced by Marcos Bartolomé and Tamara Khandaker, with Phillip Lanos, Spencer Cline, Fatima Shafiq, Farhan Rafid, and our host, Kevin Hirten. It was edited by Kylene Kiang.
Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad el-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio.
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| 0:00.0 | Al Jazeera Podcasts. |
| 0:07.0 | Today, in the past five years, upwards of a million people have left the country of Cuba. |
| 0:17.4 | The government knows there's a lot of discontent. |
| 0:19.9 | The escape valve, because they can't provide a solution to the material crisis, is letting people leave. |
| 0:27.6 | Why are they leaving? |
| 0:29.0 | And what does their mass departure mean for the future of the island nation? |
| 0:35.3 | I'm Kevin Horton, and this is The Take. |
| 0:45.7 | Major power blackouts have been plaguing Cuba in recent months, |
| 0:49.2 | with officials blaming outdated infrastructure and fuel shortages at power plants. |
| 1:00.0 | A widespread blackout swept across Havana and much of Western Cuban-cutting electricity to millions on the island already grappling with chronic power shortages and a deepening economic crisis. |
| 1:07.0 | The lack of electricity and other necessities is one of many issues that are driving Cubans to leave and find new homes outside of the country. |
| 1:15.8 | I spoke to my guest about this back in July. |
| 1:19.4 | My name is Andres Bertiera, and I am a incoming seventh year PhD candidate in Latin American and Caribbean history, specializing in post-1959 Cuba. |
| 1:30.6 | My dissertation is on Cuba and Spain between 1975 and 1999. |
| 1:36.7 | Well, thank you for joining us, Andres. |
| 1:39.1 | In a recent article of yours in Dissent magazine, you write that in the past five years, Cuba has |
| 1:45.2 | experienced an outward migration flow that is pretty much unheard of in a country that's not |
| 1:51.2 | either in a state of war or hosting refugees that are going home. Can you help us understand |
| 1:57.3 | what that really means? I mean, not just the numbers, but what it feels like day to day |
| 2:02.4 | for a country to lose so many people so quickly. Sure. And I'm going to start by saying we don't |
| 2:09.4 | really have even have the full understanding of the scale yet, because we don't have the full |
| 2:14.4 | numbers. We were using Cubans who had entered the U.S. via the border |
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