Welcome to Conversations I'm at a Podcast. My name is John Harris. I've been asked many times to comment on the McLean Bible Church situation. That's where David Platt pastors, he's the author of the best-selling book Radical.

If you don't know who David Platt is or McLean is, you probably have heard a Radical,

or at least you did 10 or so years ago when it was a big thing.

I've been a little hesitant about this.

I've even said it on the podcast.

I've said, you know, there's so many moving parts to this.

It's very complicated.

It's like an iceberg.

There's so much under the surface.

I've been aware of problems there for over a year, I think, now.

And I just haven't wanted to say much because it could even

be the historian side of me.

I just, I want to wait till the dust settles and more comes out

because they know more is going to come out and it's just it's so much bigger

than just quote-unquote critical race theory or even social justice. There's more

going on here now that is part of it but it all

it that I think is also serving as an occasion for conflict not just it in other

words there there's several problems and I don't think it's just that.

And I'm going to show you, I'm going to point to some other things internally at McLean

that are publicly available online if you want to go look them up. But there's a lot here so I'm going to try to hit the ground running. I'm going to go through a lot of material as quickly as possible and the goal here is really just to, it's become so big. I've landed on this kind of conclusion that's why I'm doing this it's become so big I can't really ignore it I've had so many people reach out to me

people who think would be helpful if I say something so So I'm going to try to say something. But my goal here is to

explain what's happening to the best of my ability, knowing that this is not exhaustive, okay? Just

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