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forward slash voucher. Hello and I'm joined today by the Spectators political editor Katie Balls as a fair Gaston head of the Foreign Policy Unit at

Policy Exchange. Now Katie this morning Kie Kastama gave a big press conference with

Olaf Schultz's German counterpart in Berlin. It's all part of a two-day sort of love-bombing

effect of going across the European continent capitals and trying to win them

over and talk about your labour's mission in government for winning over

European partners. Tell us more about his new big treaty with Germany.

So the purpose of the visit as you allude to is effectively we know that the Labour Party

now the Labour government wants to have closer ties with Europe.

They've been fairly up front about some of that, in the sense, you know,

I think you've heard them talk about how they think it makes geographical sense in a changing world,

particularly on security when you look at where America might go,

I suppose in terms of protectionism, but also where the focus could be on security more towards

China than perhaps to Ukraine, seeing what happens with Taiwan.

And then also if you know look at some of the partners you might rely on, the Labour argument

goes, well we should hug those who are closest, and Europeans are like-minded, and we

can reverse some of the bad blood from Brexit just by having a more positive rhetoric

and exchange.

So they've been various visits so far.

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