Hey everybody, you hear how that noise going on?

So it's a guest, it's the guest, slapping Kraken, I didn't tell him to be quiet though,

so that's on me.

It doesn't really matter, we don't care, we don't worry about all that professionalism

stuff, we just keep it real here at Doctrine and Devotion.

My name is Joe Thorne, I am the lead pastor of Redeemer Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois.

Jimmy Fofo Fowler, an executive pastor here at Redeemer, cannot make it, he was actually

trying to make it for this conversation with this brother.

I checked in with him and he just can't do it, he's got work and all kinds of wheeling

and dealing going on, but we do have the Christomic Dude, also known as David Hughes.

Let's have David.

Do you know Christomic Dunn?

Yeah, oh god, oh I get it, okay I see, that was clever.

That's a deep one, it's a deep one.

It was.

Christomic Dunn is a licensed professional counselor here at Redeemer Reform Baptist,

and you are a Christian counselor, trauma therapist, and a reform Baptist, so you were like

our Christomic Dude, that's what I was thinking.

Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

So I was going to say, like you and I, we've been chatting on social media for a couple

of years.

A couple of years.

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