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Lemonada.

Is it safe to say the more you've learned about SARS-CoV-2, the more problematic you think it is?

Yes.

Welcome to the bubble. This is Andy Slavitt, your host.

A really gripping conversation today, which you just heard an excerpt of with Larry Brilliant.

Larry Brilliant may be the most definitive mind, the most experienced person at pandemics, and how they end.

We've had some great people on this podcast have lots of experience,

but a few of any of them have participated in the ending and the eradication of a disease as Larry has famously with smallpox.

He might also know him from the movie Contagion, which he advised on.

And it's interesting, the clip I just played, that the man who spent his life working on eradicating horrible diseases like smallpox and polio,

and knows what a bad virus looks like, tells us that the more he learns about SARS-CoV-2, the more concerned he gets.

And you're going to hear why, and it's fact-based, and he tells us some astounding things, including why he believes SARS-CoV-2 is the fastest spreading virus in mankind.

Maybe all of history, but certainly in memory, and this may surprise you if you've heard, like I have, and my gutters have,

that the measles spreads at a rate that's three times as fast as even Delta.

But when you hear his explanation, I think like you the light bulb will go off, and the implications of that are mind-boggling.

So notwithstanding the fact that we have, I think, are seeing a law and a reduction in cases here in the US, and indeed around the world,

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