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This is the outside podcast with Paddyo.

To me, you know, you come off as a very confident person.

You're also a very affable person, you know, and obviously belief in yourself, even belief that you can do things that are seemingly impossible is the rocket fuel that propels an athlete from good to great, even mythical.

Confidence, even overconfidence is easily understandable at the crag or climbing wall, but how do you

temper that away from climbing? I guess my point is, like, I feel like it could be very easy

to, like, slide into becoming kind of like a self-licking lollipop here, and you seem like you

don't. And so I want to know how you do that. So you're basically asking me why I'm not an asshole.

I mean, I don't believe I'm asking that, but yeah. I think that it's more so just about where you

channel your energy because while I think there's nothing wrong with pursuing excellence, that's not

mutually exclusive from having solid relationships to people around you

because we can joke and have fun.

But then when it's time for me to commit to something,

then I'm focused on myself.

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