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Outside/In

What Remains, Part 2: In Memoriam

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2024

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

A scholar and an activist make an uncompromising ultimatum. A forgotten burial ground is discovered under the streets of New York City. In Philadelphia, two groups fight over the definition of “descendant community.”  Featuring Michael Blakey, Lyra Monteiro, Chris Woods, aAliy Muhammad, Wendell Mapson, Sacharja Cunningham, Jazmin Benton, Amrah Salomon, and Aja Lans.    MORE ABOUT “WHAT REMAINS” Across the country, the remains of tens of thousands of human beings are held by museums and institutions. Scientists say they’ve helped lay the foundations of forensic science and unlocked the secrets of humanity’s shared past.  But these bones were also collected before informed consent was the gold standard for ethical study. 19th and 20th-century physicians and anthropologists took unclaimed bodies from poorhouses and hospitals, robbed graves, and looted Indigenous bones from sacred sites. Now, under pressure from activists and an evolving scientific community, these institutions are rethinking what to do with their unethically collected human remains.  Outside/In producer Felix Poon has informally gained a reputation as the podcast’s “death beat” correspondent. He’s visited a human decomposition facility (aka, “body farm”), reported on the growing trend of “green burial,” and explored the use of psychedelic mushrooms to help terminal cancer patients confront death. In this three-episode series from Outside/In, Felix takes us to Philadelphia, where the prestigious Penn Museum has promised to “respectfully repatriate” hundreds of skulls collected by 19th century physician Samuel George Morton, who used them to pursue pseudo-scientific theories of white supremacy. Those efforts have been met with support by some, and anger and distrust by others.  Along the way, Felix explores the long legacy of scientific racism, lingering questions over the 1985 MOVE bombing, and evolving ethics in the field of biological anthropology. Can the institutions that have long benefited from these remains be trusted to give them up? And if so, who decides what happens next?    LINKS Archival tape of protests for the African Burial Ground came from the documentary The African Burial Ground: An American Discovery (1994). Learn more about the African Burial Ground National Monument. A recently published report, co-authored by bioarchaeologist Michael Blakey for the American Anthropological Association, recommends that research involving the handling of ancestral remains must include collaboration with descendant communities. Learn more about Finding Ceremony, the repatriation organization started by aAliy Muhammad and Lyra Monteiro. Read the Penn Museum’s statement about the Morton Cranial Collection and the 19 Black Philadelphians they interred at Eden Cemetery in early 2024. You can find our full episode credits, listen to our back catalog, and support Outside/In at our website: outsideinradio.org.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

A quick heads up for listeners, there are some swears in this episode.

0:05.0

Previously, on what remains?

0:08.0

Well, what does it mean if the museum says that it's standing in solidarity with the black

0:14.4

community if there are the remains of enslaved people that it's still on display in

0:18.8

a classroom?

0:20.8

No peace. This problem was created essentially by racist white people to begin with.

0:30.0

And I wonder how you feel about the fact that you a black man are the one stuck with cleaning up their mess.

0:35.7

Have you thought about this?

0:37.2

Well, it's, I don't, I don't look at it as being stuck with it, but it gives me resolve to see these issues through.

0:45.8

Burying people to eliminate discussion about what should happen with them is not a

0:52.1

good answer. I think we're all looking at

0:55.4

Penn Museum in Philadelphia, I have to use a term you're going to hear again and again.

1:18.0

Descendant community.

1:19.0

Descendant community. The descendant community.

1:21.0

The descendant community.

1:22.0

Descendant community.

1:24.0

And to truly understand what that means,

1:26.2

we're going to have to go back in time.

1:29.4

From box five, this is the 10 o'clock news.

1:34.0

It's a graveyard right in the heart of downtown and it's already surprising some historians.

1:39.0

New York City, 1991.

1:42.0

The federal government is building a new office building in downtown

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