What Really Helps Trauma? with Dr. Jacob Ham

Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

Being Well

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Mental Health

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🗓️ 20 November 2023

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In one of the most interesting conversations we've ever had on the podcast, Forrest is joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Jacob Ham to explore what really helps people work with - and be with - trauma. They begin with Dr. Ham's background and what drew him to trauma work before Forrest asks him how he "conceptualizes" different kinds of traumatic experiences. Dr. Ham then takes them away from the conceptual, and toward the felt. They talk about cultivating a felt sense of connection, empathy as a way in to relationship, and the value of anger. Dr. Ham shares about his own process taking risks as a clinician, using parts work, moving away from the "false idol" of cognizing, and finding a unique way in for each individual.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, welcome to being well. I'm Forrest Hanson. If you're new to the
0:10.8	podcast, thanks for joining us today.
0:12.6	And if you've listened before, welcome back.
0:15.4	Today I had one of the most interesting and unique
0:21.3	and really deeply touching conversations I've ever had on the
0:26.1	podcast and I had it with Dr. Jacob Hommm. Dr. Homm is a clinical psychologist
0:30.7	associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Mount Sinai, and the director of the center for complex trauma.
0:37.9	And listeners might remember that we had Stephanie Fue on the podcast earlier this year to talk about her wonderful book, What My Bones Now, and her related experiences working with and trying to heal from complex trauma.
0:51.0	And Dr. Homm was the therapist that she worked with and she detailed her experiences working with him in that book.
0:57.0	And so I began the conversation, as I normally do for these conversations, asking Jacob about his personal background and about the work that he does and how he kind of thinks about complex PTSD and these different kinds of trauma and man he he was not having that one and I mean that in the best possible way and he very quickly
1:17.2	moved us and moved me from this conceptual tools driven how to kind of typical podcast episode that you'll you know you'll
1:27.0	hear in this space and you've heard me conduct probably many times in the past listening to his feed into something totally different.
1:34.9	And he did that just by being who he was and by showing up in the room as this very
1:40.5	whole and authentic version of himself. I found this conversation fascinating
1:45.0	It's one of my favorite ones that I've ever done for the show
1:48.0	I completely appreciate Dr. Holm for for doing it with me.
1:51.0	It was super valuable personally. And we did also, you know, along the way cover a lot of practical material that I think could be really helpful for people who are trying to work with their own painful past.
2:04.0	But what I really hope that you take away from this conversation is the feeling of it and the tone of it.
2:10.0	So I hope that you enjoy this conversation with Dr. Jacob Palm.
2:14.0	So Jacob, thanks so much for joining me today. I've been really looking forward to this one.
2:18.0	It's so nice to be here finally.
2:20.0	Thank you for having E, Forrest.
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