Good evening, everyone, and welcome to police off the cuff, real crime stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD, Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

I'm really excited for tonight's show.

We have an amazing guest, and I was just recently on his show with Tom Zena.

It's called One Degree of Scandalous with Tom Zena and Cato Cailen.

I hope it wasn't a surprise that I was having him on the show.

Anyway, besides everything we know about Cato Cailin, he's a new podcaster,

and you should really check out his podcast with Tom Zena.

I think they're going to be two superstars down the road there, but they're paying their dues right now, like me.

You know, maybe not like me, but they're paying their dues. And, you know, the goal here is to get as many subscribers as you can. And one part of this business, the podcast

business, is to enjoy what you're doing. If you don't like doing this, you might as

well not do it because it's a ton of work. And I mean, I'm not going to, I don't have a violin

here. I don't want anyone crying for me here. But we're going to go, we're going to talk with

Cato, who's not just, he wasn't just involved

in the crime of the century as a witness with the dream team, the attorneys that represented

O.J. Simpson. But his life was severely affected by this in so many ways, some good ways and some not so good ways.

And I can't even imagine what it's like living in his shoes because his life in some ways,

and I'm going to ask him about this, has been defined by this case.

And he probably has to work, and I'm assuming this, and I learned as a young

boy, never assume because you make an ass of you and me, but I'm assuming that he's moved on

from this, and he's done great things, and he will continue to do great things. But it's probably

like that chain you have around your neck,

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