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What Next: Why Outlawing Slavery Won't Outlaw Slavery—Yet

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🗓️ 22 November 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

During the 2022 midterms, four states voted to ban slavery, which is still legal—and practiced—in the form of forced prison labor. The ballot initiatives are designed to keep people from having to work against their will and could provide prisoners with the opportunity to sue for higher wages, and better working conditions, including medical exemptions for those who are pregnant and postpartum. Guest: Candace Bond-Theriault Esq., Director of Racial Justice Policy & Strategy at Columbia Law School’s Center for Gender & Sexuality Law. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In all the coverage of the red wave that wasn't this midterm cycle, there's this one thing

0:13.0

that voters weighed in on that I'm not sure people have talked about enough.

0:17.4

That thing is slavery.

0:19.2

Five states voted on whether to outlaw slavery this November.

0:23.8

And yes, it is 2022.

0:38.6

And I said excuse me, I'm sorry, say that again.

1:06.5

Or forced prison labor.

1:10.0

Candace says this exemption, it's baked right into the 13th Amendment, the one that technically

1:15.3

abolishes slavery.

1:17.3

It reads neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime shall exist

1:25.1

within the United States.

1:27.3

State constitutions often mimic this language.

1:30.6

And the result is that more than half of all prisoners in the US report being forced

1:35.2

to work, sometimes engrueling or dangerous jobs.

1:39.3

I think sometimes even just saying slavery still exists, it's just not enough because we

1:44.8

have to talk really in specifics.

1:47.0

Yes, to talk in specifics for me.

1:49.8

Like when you say slavery still exists, what do you mean?

1:52.8

When you think of compulsory prison labor, you think of the chain gangs where people are

2:00.0

digging ditches and doing construction and that still does exist.

2:06.6

That is not a former piece of slavery.

2:10.6

That's not a former vestige of slavery that still lives with us.

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