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What Next | What the John Bolton Raid Means

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🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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John Bolton isn’t exactly beloved by the right or the left. But sending the FBI to raid his house fits a pattern: Either tell the president what he wants to hear, or face the consequences.  Guest: Shane Harris, staff writer covering national security and intelligence for The Atlantic. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think it's time we acknowledge something on this show.

0:40.7

A growing consensus about the Trump administration.

0:45.0

Call the way Donald Trump fashions himself, whatever you want,

0:48.3

would be dictator, an autocrat.

0:51.2

But an essential ingredient of what he's doing in Washington is straight up revenge.

1:01.2

This shouldn't really be a surprise. Trump openly mused about revenge while he campaigned for a second

1:07.2

term in office. Shane Harris from over at the Atlantic, he remembers it.

1:13.2

Oh, Donald Trump talked a lot about revenge in the 2024 campaign.

1:17.5

I mean, it was, I think, the words that he will use sometimes in his speech where,

1:21.2

I am your vengeance, I am your retribution.

1:24.1

How's that whole revenge plan working out for him?

1:27.2

It seems like it's going swimmingly.

1:31.4

Who Donald Trump wants revenge on is a broad category.

1:36.8

But for Shane, the most obvious targets are people who worked in government, sometimes for the president himself, and dared to speak out against him.

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