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What Bernie Gets Wrong About Socialism

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 June 2019

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

The Bernie Sanders campaign billed his speech on Wednesday as a “major address on how democratic socialism is the only way to defeat oligarchy and authoritarianism.” Besides being a mouthful, the speech was an attempt for Bernie to explain why he calls himself a socialist. However, he gets a key element of the pitch wrong. Was it an accident or is Bernie intentionally trying to change what being a socialist in America means?

Guest: Jordan Weissmann, economics and policy writer at Slate.


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0:00.0

Just a heads up, our show today has a little tiny bit of explicit language in it.

0:05.0

It's the S word, and I don't mean socialism.

0:13.0

Bernie Sanders has been in the political game, long enough to know that if you're calling

0:17.5

yourself a socialist in this country, you're going to have some explaining to do. So earlier this week, the presidential candidate tried to do just that.

0:26.9

Explain himself. So a little background for everyone.

0:30.6

Jordan Weissman covers economics and policy for us at Slate. Bernie Sanders. He's a Democratic

0:36.5

socialist. He calls himself a Democratic socialist. Everyone knows that. He's not a Democrat. He's not a socialist. He's a Democratic socialist.

0:44.3

Thank you all very much for being here.

0:47.9

Bernie's speech was supposed to be a kind of socialism 101.

0:51.5

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, and I quote, call it democracy or call it democratic socialism,

1:00.1

but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children,

1:08.0

end quote.

1:09.4

What stood up to me watching it was that he kept coming back to what socialism means to me.

1:17.1

To me, right?

1:17.8

It was very personal.

1:18.8

Like, yeah, like here's what I mean by democratic socialism.

1:22.9

Yeah.

1:23.8

Economic rights are human rights.

1:31.5

Thank you. Economic rights are human rights. And that is what I mean by democratic socialism.

1:37.6

It was billed as a speech that was going to define this phrase.

1:41.8

Again, he was going to take a second cut at it.

1:45.0

But it was actually a little bit broader. Technically, this speech had a name, how democratic socialism is the

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