Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs.

Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand.

Marketing tools that get your products out there. Integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time.

From startups to scaleups, online, in person, and on the go. Shopify is made for

entrepreneurs like you. Sign up for your $1 a month trial at Shopify.com slash setup.

So Stephanie, we're a couple of months into Trump 2.0.

And I'm wondering if you had to sum up Trump's economy in like a word or a phrase, what would it be?

So awesome.

I called up Stephanie Rule over at MSNBC because I needed a friend to tell me exactly what Trump is doing with the economy.

Also because I needed a laugh first thing in the morning.

I sense some sarcasm there.

Oh, my goodness. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Self-inflicted chaos.

Trump's approach has been described as economic shock therapy.

New York Magazine said the president is trying to design his own recession.

These are not turns of phrase most presidents want associated with

them.

But we're dealing with Donald Trump here.

Before working as a journalist, Stephanie spent years working in finance.

She says one of the stranger things about this moment is calling up her sources in the business

community and realizing how surprised they are. Because back in November, many of them saw Trump

2.0 as an opportunity. When President Trump won, they embraced it. And they thought, all right,

...