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What Next: The Supreme Court, Unmasked

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 19 January 2022

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court heard two challenges to the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccination mandates this month. It blocked one mandate and upheld another, giving some observers whiplash. How did the court come to such different rulings on similar workplace mandates, and what do the rulings say about how the court views the federal government as a whole? Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, staff writer covering courts and the law for Slate. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:35.3

When I reached Mark Joseph Stern, who covers the federal judiciary for slate, I had one

0:40.3

simple question for him. How weird is it at the Supreme Court right now?

0:46.3

It's really weird. I will tell you that I am not allowed in because only a small group

0:52.7

of journalists who are called hard pass holders who register with the court annually are allowed

0:58.4

in right now because of COVID protocols. It's unfortunate because I feel like there

1:02.3

is so much body language going on and I'm missing all of it. So I can only say from reporting

1:09.7

and what oozes through the audio that it is a very fraught and toxic environment these

1:15.0

days.

1:17.7

If you think your workplace is difficult to hang out in right now, consider the plate

1:22.4

of these nine justices, a cabinet of rivals forced to come together day after day, even

1:29.5

though it is clear to just about everyone how little they can agree on. It's hard to

1:34.9

say when the atmosphere became fraught and toxic, but the pandemic certainly did not help.

1:42.1

Early on, when the court was only doing arguments over the telephone, it revealed a very gendered

1:48.8

dynamic about who gets to speak and who doesn't because the male justices were frequently

1:55.3

interrupting the female justices. Chief Justice Roberts, who was supposed to be giving

1:59.5

each justice equal time, ended up allowing people like Alito and Gorsuch to blab over

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