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The Perils of Prosecuting Trump

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2020

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

There are two basic camps of thought when it comes to upholding the norms and laws that the Trump administration has broken. On the one hand: How will these norms and laws ever be respected again, if President Trump and the people around him are not investigated, and possibly charged, for any abuses? One the other hand: Could additional investigations into Trump tear the country apart?

Guest: Dahlia Lithwick, host of the Amicus podcast. 

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0:00.0

When I asked Slate's Dahlia Lithwick to try to picture Donald Trump's last day in office, she couldn't do it.

0:11.2

I feel like, as is often the case in just horrific abusive relationships, I can't quite imagine yet that this gets fixed.

0:26.9

You don't want to get too optimistic.

0:30.2

I just feel as though once you give over to the reality that Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani will do absolutely anything, break absolutely anything, burn absolutely anything to win this thing, it's hard to just seed the fear that there's some pathway to doing that.

0:52.9

Dahlia knows she's being irrational here.

0:55.4

She says she was actually more worried a few weeks back.

0:59.3

Now I think he's going to go and he's going to go clawing the carpet on his way out, kicking and screaming.

1:05.9

But go he will.

1:07.2

But I do think that there is this real question about, you know, does he take off for some

1:14.4

foreign land? Does he, you know, pardon himself on the way out?

1:21.1

In an administration that has broken so many rules, leaving office isn't as simple as packing up a few closets. Leaving the White House

1:30.1

makes the president much more vulnerable to prosecution, which up until now, he's managed to

1:35.8

avoid. You know how I think of inauguration day? I think of the day that Trump leaves office

1:43.9

as a sort of Harry Potter moment where he's had

1:47.7

this like magical protection for the last four years, this charm that's kept him unprosecutable.

1:58.0

And that's the day that that charm breaks. I think that's really true. And I think that

2:03.8

we're in this weird moment now where there's an awful lot of Democrats who feel as though this

2:11.4

doesn't end well unless somebody is marched off in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit. Like there

2:16.2

needs to be a reckoning and there

2:17.8

needs to be consequences. Otherwise, we're just holding our breath until the Tom Cotton administration

2:23.6

crimes again. And I think there is another strand of this that says, not unreasonably,

2:29.6

more than 70 million people think that Donald Trump did nothing wrong. And if the Biden Justice Department

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