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What Next: The Liberal Case Against Affirmative Action

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Society & Culture, News

4.63K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2023

⏱️ 26 minutes

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If the Supreme Court rules against affirmative action for certain racial groups, as expected, how will colleges and other institutions create diverse student bodies and address racial disparities? Guest: Richard Kahlenberg, non-resident scholar at Georgetown University's McCourt School of Public Policy If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Richard Colenberg makes his controversial recommendations so quietly that you may have

0:13.0

to lean close to understand him.

0:15.8

He's been called a liberal maverick.

0:18.3

When I told him he sounded a little gentle for a maverick, he laughed.

0:23.0

He's maverick because he spent the last few decades working to dismantle race-based

0:28.1

affirmative action.

0:33.2

Do you remember the first time you heard the term affirmative action?

0:36.4

It was probably in middle school or high school.

0:43.1

Do you remember having a reaction to it?

0:45.1

Oh, I was very much in favor of it.

0:48.5

Rick grew up in a traditional upper-middle class, white, liberal household.

0:54.2

This was in a suburb of St. Paul, Minnesota.

0:57.1

His dad was a minister.

0:59.0

Rick started to question affirmative action in college.

1:03.4

That's when he looked around and wondered, can't we do better than this?

1:08.8

By the way, Rick does not call himself an opponent of affirmative action, per se.

1:13.9

He's more specific than that.

1:16.2

I think I'm arguing for affirmative action, just a different kind of affirmative action,

1:20.8

affirmative action based on class.

1:24.0

So what I'm questioning is whether racial preferences are the best way to get there.

1:31.0

When Rick talks about turning affirmative action on its head, he says he's borrowing from

1:35.3

Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy, leaders who fought against racial injustice

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