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So Anat, I'm curious how closely you've been following what Joe Biden has to say about abortion right now.

Pretty closely.

Sort of my job. Anat Shankar Osario is the kind of my job.

Anachinkero Asario is the kind of political consultant who tells Democrats what to say and how to say it.

I called her up because I was wondering what Democrats should start saying about abortion.

What do you see there?

I see a mix of things, which I think is my perennial answer to the question of what I see in Joe Biden.

I see claiming the moral high ground, which is an incredibly important thing to do in any issue area, this one arguably more than others.

And then I also see trepidation. I see caution. I see concern.

Anott doesn't love this trepidation. But it was on full display when President Biden got pressed to respond to the Supreme Court's draft opinion, just hours after it leaked. Biden was

standing on the tarmac at Andrew's Air Force Base when reporters started

peppering him with questions.

First of all, he talked about, he used the words, abort a child.

So the idea that we're going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make

the judgment to choose to abort a child based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think

goes way overboard.

Thank you. And I think for a lot of abortion activists, it like was this cringe moment of, oh, is this how we're going to be talking about this now?

Yeah, I think that that's incredibly problematic language.

I think that by definition, if you are seeking abortion care,

then you are not talking about a child, as you rightly sort of signaling with your question.

It implies a certain level of development. It implies a certain level of relationship that already exists between a caregiver, a guardian parent, and a young person.

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