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What Next: The Coup Next Time

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Months before the attack on the Capitol, Bart Gellman predicted that the 2020 election would usher in a make-or-break year for American democracy. He was correct. Now, he’s trying to sound the alarm again. This time he says American democratic institutions and systems are being broken before our eyes, and the people in power aren’t doing enough to stop it. Guest: Barton Gellman, staff writer at The Atlantic. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think of Barton Gellman as a little bit of a prophet.

0:09.2

He puts it differently.

0:11.3

I feel like the bad news correspondent, the catastrophe correspondent, and there are jokes

0:18.9

in our household about not reading my stories at bedtime.

0:31.7

Back in the fall of 2020, before we knew who would be elected president or what the weeks

0:36.7

and months after that election would look and feel like, Barton wrote this article.

0:43.7

It was called the election that could break America.

0:48.4

And when I read it, I thought, God, this guy is dramatic.

0:53.2

Did you hear from people after that piece with that sentiment?

0:56.4

Like, oh boy, dread, I guess.

1:00.3

Yeah, well, so I heard dread and concern and what can we do.

1:05.3

And then I also heard people saying that it was really inconceivable what I was talking

1:11.9

about, that this just wasn't going to happen.

1:14.6

And the Biden campaign at the time did not consider this article to be on message.

1:21.2

They were afraid of scaring voters, of if people felt fatalistic, then they wouldn't

1:27.0

show up at the polls.

1:33.2

We all know what followed.

1:34.8

A contested election, dozens of lawsuits, all of it culminating in a crowd of people storming

1:41.4

the U.S. Capitol on January 6th.

1:44.4

I certainly didn't predict that there would be a riot at the Capitol and that a mob would

1:49.4

come to the seat of Congress and try to prevent the counting of electoral votes.

1:56.3

But it fit the pattern I was describing.

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