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Hey there, listener. For the last couple of weeks, we've been doing shows about the overdose

crisis in this country. How to address it, how politics and feelings get in the way of keeping

people safe. This show is the final piece in that series. If you haven't had a chance to listen

to the others, go on back, check out what we've been up to. Our last piece was called the case

against harm reduction. We'll be here when you're done.

Lisa DuGard has been called Seattle's reformer in chief. And before I get into why,

I think it's useful to know how someone becomes a reformer in chief in the first place.

I know you may roll your eyes at this, but can I ask about your child's prodigy days?

Yeah, I roll in definitely. Sure.

You started taking classes at University of Washington when? Like how old are you?

I was 12. As a preteen, Lisa was studying political science,

learning about the art of changing people's minds, and reforming their governmental systems.

On her first day of class, she panicked when she realized, in college, there is no assigned seating.

At 12, I was weird, right, for the first several years. Everyone could tell that I was much younger.

But having to be okay with that was important for me. It definitely helped give me kind of an

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