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What Next: TBD | The People Suing ICE

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Society & Culture, Technology, History

4.6636 Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Though ICE, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services denied their Freedom of Information Act requests, these journalists aren’t giving up without a fight—not until they get their hands on a document that outlines how much information Medicaid is sharing with ICE. Guest: Joseph Cox, cofounder of 404 Media.  Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Evan Campbell, and Patrick Fort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This might be an unfair question, but if you had to do some like back of the envelope math,

0:12.0

how many FOIA requests do you think you have filed in your lifetime?

0:17.6

Wow, I've never thought about that.

0:20.3

That is a great question. Wow. I've never thought about that. That is a great question.

0:25.2

That's Joseph Cox, one of the founders of 404 Media. It's safe to say, he files a lot of

0:31.4

of Freedom of Information Act requests with the government. I definitely file at least five a week. So, you know, it's maybe not every day,

0:41.1

but on average it's going to be about that spread across. I've been a journalist for 10 years,

0:46.2

probably doing that for five years. So somebody else can do the math who's listening.

0:50.0

But it's a lot of FOIA requests and a lot of experience doing this over the years, yeah, with varying levels of success, I would say.

1:00.4

The Freedom of Information Act, FOIA, was first introduced in the shadow of the Cold War and in an era of rising government secrecy.

1:09.3

And the central idea is that any person, citizen or not,

1:13.5

can file a request with the U.S. government for public records. Many people might not know this,

1:19.1

but under U.S. law, you are legally allowed to request any government record, any record

1:26.4

created by the government, any record held by the government.

1:30.3

Now, that doesn't mean they're going to give it to you.

1:32.2

But legally, you can request that.

1:34.7

And journalists do this all the time for police reports or contracts with agencies.

1:42.1

And agencies are supposed to provide a response around 20 days later.

1:47.5

That almost never happens. They were often extended again and again, and usually again,

1:55.0

for months, if not years. It really depends on the agency. From local police, you can get records in a couple of

2:03.7

weeks. With the FBI, I think I'm still waiting on requests I made easily in 2019, if not earlier.

2:13.1

A little over a year ago, Joseph filed a FOIA request with immigration and customs enforcement

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