Hi, I'm Danny Dyer, and welcome to What's That Smell?

Smoked with a hint of burgers, it's my barbecue apron.

Luckily, I can make this smell like freshly picked lilies.

Just pop it in the washing machine, add some surf tropical lily laundry detergent, and

oh, my fave, it smells like my dream holiday.

Get long-lasting fragrance with natural essential oils, with surf laundry detergent.

Can you make anything perf of surf?

Honestly, Rebecca, how tired are you right now?

I've slept about two hours over the last two to three days, so I'm pretty tired, Lizzie.

Thank you for inquiring.

Well, Rebecca is Rebecca Jarvis.

She's the host of the Dropout podcast, and ABC News' chief business,

technology and economics correspondent.

And she's now spent years covering Elizabeth Holmes, her spectacular rise,

founding Theranos, and her incredibly public fall.

The verdict is in the disgrace Theranos founder and CEO found guilty.

That fall ended this week when Holmes was found guilty on four counts of fraud or conspiracy

for misleading investors about Theranos' technology.

Does it feel strange at this point to have a verdict so much went into this?

You were following every single twist and turn of this trial.

How do you feel now?

It is. It's a surreal thing to have spent so many years of my life following this story,

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