Hey everyone. Just before we get started, I wanted to let you know that today's episode has some adult language.

Okay, onto the show.

When Facebook went down this week, like, did you have a moment of like, oh my God, I did this?

No, no, I did not. I had a moment of like, is there some slight chance that this was tied to our work?

That's Jeff Horwitz.

He's a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

And his work, part of a series called The Facebook Files, has rocked Facebook, revealing

not just the harms the company does, but what executives

knew about them. On last week's show, we talked to Jeff's colleague Georgia Wells about the

troubling impact that Facebook's app Instagram has on teenage girls. This week, we're talking

to Jeff, because honestly, everything just keeps blowing up in Facebook's face these days.

Jeff's main source for the Facebook files was the whistleblower who testified to Congress on Tuesday.

And just coincidentally, that was after Facebook's companies went down for five hours on Monday.

And then I concluded, no, for a couple of reasons.

First of all, it would be absolutely stupid.

Taking down, in particular, WhatsApp is just like something that anyone who understands

what infrastructure looks like would never do.

It'd be like, hey, I'm going to take down like the phone system because I have a problem

with AT&T

is, it's just too stupid. Still, it was nice to know that it wasn't actually because of his reporting.

I was relieved to be 100% clear when the company came out and said, it turns out we're just really

bad at the internet was, was a really happy, happy moment for me to hear, though.

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