Russia's Other Battlefront
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🗓️ 25 February 2022
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
For seven years, Ukraine has served as a virtual testing ground for a generation of cyber weaponry capable of taking down power grids, networks, and supply chains. With an invasion of Ukraine underway, will these weapons come into play?
Guest: Andy Greenberg, senior writer at WIRED and the author of the book Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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| 0:00.0 | Between forgetting the sellotape, |
| 0:01.6 | trying to squeeze eight people around a six-seater table |
| 0:04.1 | and the cat taking down the tree. |
| 0:06.1 | Again! |
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| 0:34.0 | Back in 2016, Andy Greenberg's editors at Wired |
| 0:37.6 | wanted him to write a story about cyber war. |
| 0:40.6 | Their initial pitch was inspired by US politics. |
| 0:43.6 | They were thinking about the Russian interference in the 2016 election, |
| 0:47.8 | which I didn't really see as cyber war at all. |
| 0:50.7 | Andy's definition is more malevolent. |
| 0:52.8 | Cyber war, to me, is a campaign of cyber attacks |
| 0:56.8 | with disruptive or destructive effects carried out by |
| 1:00.5 | one states against an enemy state or its adversary |
| 1:04.6 | and often in the midst of an actual war. |
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