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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future - Is Elon Musk Any Good at Business?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2022

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Some call him revolutionary. Others call him a hack. Is his success warranted?

Guest: Ashlee Vance

Host: Lizzie O'Leary


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0:00.0

You know that scene in Godfather 3? It's probably the only one anyone remembers. Michael

0:14.5

Corleone is old, he's puttering around his kitchen in a cart again, complaining that

0:18.8

the mobster life just won't let him go.

0:28.4

Admittedly, not a great movie. But anyway, that is how I think about Elon Musk and reporter

0:33.7

Ashley Vance, who wrote a pretty exhaustive book about him in 2015.

0:37.8

Yeah, the book was from start to finish. I was probably about three years and that was

0:44.5

living and breathing a lot of real Elon Musk in a universe for lack of a better term.

0:52.0

Ashley got sick of talking about Musk. He was burned out.

0:55.6

Elon and I also had a really tense go of it after my book came out which made wanting

1:02.6

to write about him not that attractive of a proposition.

1:05.6

I just thought I was writing a book about an interesting person and some interesting

1:09.6

companies. I didn't expect it to be this almost inseparable part of my life forever after

1:16.0

that.

1:17.0

But the problem is once you have written the big Elon Musk biography, people like me want

1:22.2

to call you up and ask you questions. What was your first impression of him?

1:26.6

There were no handlers and when I would ask him a question, he just answered it so openly

1:33.9

and thoughtfully and kind of differently than the on-message billionaires and CEOs that

1:42.9

I was used to interview. He does have a slightly, I don't know, awkward, the right way.

1:51.9

He's not always like the easiest conversationalist especially at the beginning of a chat so

1:57.4

there was a little bit of that going on. But I was immediately struck like, oh this guy's

2:03.0

you might not agree with what he's going to say but he's actually saying what's on his

2:07.4

mind.

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